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edited to add:
yes, 'bah dmm tss' is the drum sound...
Also, I've not wanted to raise my ban hammer on anyone until comments by this one person in this post. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Put on your big girl panties. Maybe just stay the hell away from this blog, I know we're fantastic to read but please go and cut up some paper instead and leave the poor keyboard out of this.
No way!! First?!! Sheesh, that's a first - no pun intended! LOL
ReplyDeleteWow, second?
ReplyDeleteFrom the last thread re: Joan...
ReplyDeleteIf some anon person on the internet can affect you that much you have serious mental problems! Why would anyone care what a person they've never met has to say about them??? Joan needs to step away from the computer and get help!
Some people are just more insecure than others.
ReplyDeletePerhaps people need to realize that unlike in real life, blogging and posting online puts you at the mercy of all types of people. Some are great. Some are encouraging and supportive. Some are just waiting to smack you in to next week. Unfortunately, Joan is letting one mean spirited smacker mess with her head.
ReplyDeleteIt has taken years of chatboards and blogging to toughen me up.
ReplyDeleteI predict that admitting her vulnerability is going to make her a big target. Bullies bully those they get a reaction from.
ReplyDeleteOnce you put yourself out there, you're open to criticism of all kinds. No everyone is going to love you. I choose not to blog because I am sensitive. I am also a private person. This is a choice.
ReplyDeleteSaying someone has more talent than money may not be a compliment, but is not the worst thing I've seen written a about someone.
I think Joan is being overly dramatic. No one said anything personal about her - so what if one or two or 10,000 people don't love every single thing you do??
ReplyDeleteAlso, Joan seems to be ignoring the many positive comments that were left about or for her at this blog.
Why is it that Joan only got offended at the smack blog when her name came up? Seems to me she was visiting (and probably commenting) here before, and couldn't handle the heat when she was the one being discussed.
Sorry your feelings are hurt, Joan, but taking your toys and going home is silly. If someone saying you have more money than talent is enough to break you, then maybe you are too fragile for the blogosphere.
Damn ladies. Way to kick someone when they're down.
ReplyDeleteI am a nobody but I would hate to be berated because I have feelings. If I had people commenting anonymously about my work or my parenting or whatever, even if people claim that it wasn't that bad, I would have my feelings hurt.
I am not posting this under my real name because I would hate to be targeted.
With that, I am going to step away from my computer. I am (was) a regular but this just feels wrong now.I know, don't let the door hit me on the way out.
If she had not made the long blog post today about it, it would have faded off into the sunset, but she is not only holding on to it, but making it public that she is holding on to it. I do not think it is wrong to respond to that. It appears she brought it up AGAIN a week or more later to increase the comments about her.
ReplyDeleteIt would be different if it had been someone else bringing it up again, but clearly she wants it to be back in the forefront.
ReplyDeleteI sympathize with you, Joan. I find it a quality in a person to not let bad experiences harden your heart. Be soft.
ReplyDeleteI'm not kicking someone when they are down, I just don't understand how you let an imaginary person effect you that much???
ReplyDeleteWe are imaginary? Are the people you talk to on the phone imaginary too?
ReplyDeleteI hardly think saying you don't think someone is the greatest stamper on earth qualifies as bullying or "kicking someone when they are down".
ReplyDeleteDramatic, much?
Sheesh.
If my child came to me and was crying about a simliar issue, I'd explain that we don't need to depend on other people's opinion for our self worth.
Wow, some of you people are mean! If I were Joan, I would have been hurt too. She probably brought it up again to explain why her projects have been/will be scarce and also perhaps in hopes that some of you here would realize how hurtful your words are.
ReplyDeleteAnd 16:14, it wasn't an "imaginary" person, it was a real person who posted. And Joan explained that part of what bothers her the most is that she doesn't know WHO it was, so it makes her question (in her mind) people she knows. I don't think she's being overly dramatic. She's just being honest that it hurt.
Jesus H. Christ.
ReplyDeleteIf saying someone isn't a great stamper is mean, a truly mean comment must send you people into a full on meltdown.
I feel like I'm in a room full of whiny children with all the crying about big meanines.
This is why every child in school gets a certificate the last day.
ReplyDeleteJoan would you now like the interwebs to award you damages because your fragile egg-shell ego was injured by this blog? Seems to me... if the driver of the car which was hit KNEW she had an egg-shell skull, she should either wear a helmet or not drive at all. I'm not saying the driver in your analogy knew that. But you can't convince us that YOU didn't know your ego was so fragile it would hurt your feelings to read negative comments about you.
ReplyDeleteThis issue has been rolling around in my mind for a while now, what with the things Joan has been posting on her blog lately and the kerfuffles about censoring on the PTI forums. I sense an epic battle going on between our freedom of choice to speak whatever is on our minds and those who would like to regulate every word that comes out of our mouths in the interest of promoting love and kindness toward one another.
It isn't right, morally, for people to be saying mean things about each other left and right. But it also isn't right for the powers in charge to FORCE us to never say anything mean.
Therefore, while I agree with the spirit of the golden rule and "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all", I will defend to the death my right to say whatever I want whether it is mean or not.
The outcome we desire, a world in which everybody is nice and there is no more hatred or bullying or mean comments on people's blogs, MUST be brought about by a change of heart of the people making the comments. Not by regulating our freedom of speech from without. If you do not recognize the problem with that then you are part of the problem.
She IS hurt by this and it IS affecting her. Blogging about it is her release and how she is dealing with it. She didnt ask for anyones comments and obviously someone went and searched it out and posted it HERE for comments. Its not Joan.
ReplyDeleteWTH does "bah dmm tss" (the title of this thread) mean anyway?
ReplyDeleteLast word on the Joan issue. If your feelings were hurt because of something somebody posted online, and you go back to cyberspace to air your hurt, you're asking for it. She may have thought it was cathartic. I think it was stupid. No one should be seeking their self-worth and confidence from faceless people on the Internet. That's what real life human interaction is for. And putting it back out there for whoever posted the $$ > talent comment is setting oneself up for a big ole smackdown.
ReplyDeleteOops. Left my comment on the last post:
ReplyDelete03:26, you may want to leave Joan a comment - she said she didn't know how to turn them off but she will read them. I wouldn't expect her to be reading here.
I agree with what you said about not letting others determine your self-worth but if someone is that sensitive to anonymous opinions, then maybe it's better for them to not set themselves up for public comment.
I think she's a terrific lady and I love her sense of humor. It's sad that someone's anonymous comments could make her doubt herself and I hope she is able to get past it.
Joan would never say something like that on her blog just to get more comments. That's absurd. And she did not bring it "to the forefront."
ReplyDeleteWhen Joan doesn't blog or changes something on her blog, people ask about it. She wants to find a way to deal with something that's troubling her and she's being open about it.
If you read Joan's blog regularly in the past you will know that she shares her ups and downs with stamping. The last couple of years, she's taken a little break from blogging, I think for part of the summer. This post was Joan being Joan - talking about her creative process and what's working or in this case, not working.
Don't flatter yourselves. Joan is just blogging what she feels and being honest. If you are going to give anyone a hard time - choose the person who had to come here and point it out to the smackers.
16:38 said: "The outcome we desire, a world in which everybody is nice and there is no more hatred or bullying or mean comments on people's blogs, MUST be brought about by a change of heart of the people making the comments. Not by regulating our freedom of speech from without. If you do not recognize the problem with that then you are part of the problem."
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I agree with what you said above.
But the golden rule is the "do unto others..." one ;) .
And,
I think bah dmm tss is the old drum sound thing you'd hear at the end of a joke.
I made the way to kick someone when they're down comment.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't referring to the original comment about Joan having more money then talent.
I was referring to all of the hurtful comments saying that Joan deserves what she gets for putting herself out there or for blogging at all for that matter. Also, people saying that she's looking for attention or letting a single comment define her self worth.
THOSE comments IMO were kicking her when she's down.
I am a regular here and I am feeling rather put off by the meanness (and don't put words in my mouth, I am not saying anything about cyber bullying.) A handful of you smackers just sound plain mean.
Yes, it's really me. I broke my own rule about reading this blog, as Joan is my real-life friend. You know, with feelings?
ReplyDeleteIs it worth it, what you're doing here? You people are ridiculous. Rationalize all you want, call others insecure if you want. It will all come back to you. Yes, Ami, Michelle, Carmen, Donna, I am especially talking to you.
You are not that anonymous. I don't know how you think that this is all okay, what you talk about here, and who you talk about. I find it extraordinarily cowardly that you can't use your real names. If you are going to insult me or anyone else, do it properly.
Your posts and actions have gone far beyond complaining about a company's customer service. You have intruded on the safety of others' lives. You have damaged family relationships. You have knowingly injured others and rationalized that it's their fault for being hurt.
Is it worth it?
Do your hands hurt from the slapping?
Joan will be fine. Will you?
For those of you who are newish here, I hope you know the company you keep. They'll turn on you if you blink and call it your fault.
Smack away. I won't see it, and you will not hurt me. I will always win.
I love how people think they get the last word on a matter if they leave before anyone has a chance to respond to them.
ReplyDeleteCheryl, HOW DARE you name and blame individuals. You are calling out people whom you have NO IDEA if they posted, even in support of Joan.
ReplyDeleteDude. Did you not hear the woman? She won't see you and you will not hurt you and she will always win. Nice try though. ;-)
ReplyDelete*her, you will not hurt HER, gah.
ReplyDeleteYou bet she is reading here.
ReplyDelete17:55, thank you for the explanation of "bah dmm tss". That makes sense.
ReplyDeletethere's a difference between having your feelings hurt and being a crybaby
ReplyDeleteLooks like Cheryl has been holding on to that for a couple of months now. Winning, duh!
ReplyDeletehttp://insteadoflaundry.blogspot.com/2012/03/i-choose-to-be-happy.html?m=1
I don't see that anybody is being a crybaby.
ReplyDeleteI agree with 17:47 who posted this -
When Joan doesn't blog or changes something on her blog, people ask about it. She wants to find a way to deal with something that's troubling her and she's being open about it.
I hope that those of you that are saying such mean and hurtful things never have your name brought up here. It does hurt.
@16:38 - The outcome we desire, a world in which everybody is nice and there is no more hatred or bullying or mean comments on people's blogs, MUST be brought about by a change of heart of the people making the comments. Not by regulating our freedom of speech from without. If you do not recognize the problem with that then you are part of the problem.
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And how do you suggest this "change of heart" come about? Wouldn't one possible way be that the person hurt by the comments make their feelings known, so that the person who hurt them could be aware of the consequences of their actions. Wouldn't this give them an opportunity for a "change of heart". I'm not talking about censoring here. I'm talking about awareness.
PTI Forum absolutely dead lately.
ReplyDeleteCheryl, you go girl!!! You got the names right. The smackers here are a pathetic bunch. I wonder if their husbands and children know how mean spirited they really are. Sad isn't it.
ReplyDeleteI will never use a name here again, lest Cheryl blame all named people for what the anons say. She is the epitome of rude.
ReplyDeleteHow convenient that Cheryl happens to only read this blog when it's to her convenience to come out and act self-righteous.
ReplyDeleteLike Joan, I think Cheryl reads here and comments ANONYMOUSLY on a regular basis.
It's all well and good when other people are being smacked, but this place is vile and bad when it's you on the other end.
And, for the umpteenth time, NO ONE WAS BASHING JOAN. One person said something about her stamping skills and MANY OTHERS SAID KIND THINGS ABOUT JOAN.
Seems that Joan is content to forget that and be the victim in all this.
Joan - you've done yourself no good, and neither have all the "friends" you've got coming here to defend you.
You're all coming off as immature, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou hypocrites.
Like I said, the odds that both of you NEVER EVER EVER visit the blog and then just happen to stop by when it's your name (or a friend's name) that comes up are nil.
Your self-righteousness has outed you as regular smackers. Looks like you two like to dish it but certainly don't have the fortitude to take it.
I'll pray for you. You're welcome!
Cheryl,
ReplyDelete"Is it worth it, what you're doing here? You people are ridiculous. Rationalize all you want, call others insecure if you want. It will all come back to you. Yes, Ami, Michelle, Carmen, Donna, I am especially talking to you."
What the heck are you talking about?
I don't understand why you mentioned my name. I have not attacked anyone. I post using my username, so you can go back and read my posts if you want.
"Your posts and actions have gone far beyond complaining about a company's customer service. You have intruded on the safety of others' lives. You have damaged family relationships. You have knowingly injured others and rationalized that it's their fault for being hurt."
Once again... what the heck are you talking about??? You are accusing me of something, and I don't even have a clue what you are talking about!
I find it very hypocritical that one day you are all sweet and inviting me to your house, and a few weeks latter you are attacking me for no reason!
Carmen
Carmen, I wouldn't feel too bad. Cheryl speaks out of both sides of her mouth. Obviously.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many times Cheryl and Joan have posted here anonymously? Of course they'll both claim that they would NEVER do something so horrible, but the odds of them never visiting (and then only happening to be here when their names come up) is almost zero.
C'mon, Cheryl - you talk all the time about what a Christian you are, so be honest and tell us the truth. Jesus knows what you've been up to :)
19:38 I don't feel bad. I am mad! She is making some very serious accusations without any proof.
ReplyDeleteHave I said things about PTI as a company? You better believe it! Have I attacked people? NO, and specially not anonymously!!!
Cheryl has some nerve to attack people by name when she does not have a clue!
ReplyDeleteGeez, people! I consider Joan a friend. Why did I get named?
ReplyDeleteIn case cknutti (what an appropriate name, btw) decides to delete:
ReplyDeleteCheryl said...
Yes, it's really me. I broke my own rule about reading this blog, as Joan is my real-life friend. You know, with feelings?
Is it worth it, what you're doing here? You people are ridiculous. Rationalize all you want, call others insecure if you want. It will all come back to you. Yes, Ami, Michelle, Carmen, Donna, I am especially talking to you.
You are not that anonymous. I don't know how you think that this is all okay, what you talk about here, and who you talk about. I find it extraordinarily cowardly that you can't use your real names. If you are going to insult me or anyone else, do it properly.
Your posts and actions have gone far beyond complaining about a company's customer service. You have intruded on the safety of others' lives. You have damaged family relationships. You have knowingly injured others and rationalized that it's their fault for being hurt.
Is it worth it?
Do your hands hurt from the slapping?
Joan will be fine. Will you?
For those of you who are newish here, I hope you know the company you keep. They'll turn on you if you blink and call it your fault.
Smack away. I won't see it, and you will not hurt me. I will always win.
26 May 2012 17:58
Donna C. said...
ReplyDeleteGeez, people! I consider Joan a friend. Why did I get named?
26 May 2012 20:02
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Good question Donna! I don't know Joan personally, but I do follow her blog and really like the person that I have come to know through her posts. When the comment was made, I emailed her to tell her what I thought about her blog and cards (all positive by the way!).
i posted on Cheryl's blog (latest post). What do you want to bet she won't allow the post to show.
ReplyDeletecheryl is completely retarded - don't get mad about what she says. she's an idiot. don't even give it a second thought.
ReplyDeleteBack one more time, because I need to apologize to Carmen and Donna.
ReplyDeleteSetting the record straight. Carmen and Donna did not hurt Joan and have not said mean things about me. I was calling people specifically out who are here and on the PTI forum. I mentioned Carmen and Donna not because of mean comments about people, but because I feel they have been hypocritical and planted bombs on the PTI forum. If I am mistaken about their intents, I am sorry. I have grown to mistrust those whose loyalties have been split. If you hate PTI, fine. Stop bothering those who don't.
I apologize for lumping you two in with all of the other meanie-pants who have giggled behind their hands, pretending to be anonymous. I, too, am furious.
Do not attack my Christianity. I'm assuming that according to your criteria, none of you is a Christian yourself? This is a place that does not encourage Christian behavior.
I have never posted here before today--anonymously or otherwise. Imagine my horror when Jennifer Ellefson told me about the secret squirrel post on the forum about the frame from Piece of Cake. I had absolutely no idea that it was a calling out of your secret sisterhood. How silly of me to assume that you were talking about stamps on a stamping forum!
I am honest, I am kind, and I am happy. I am also ridiculously angry with you people. It will take me a minute to get back to normal.
Make no mistake about how destructive this blog has been. It is your collective fault. Not the fault of the people you have harmed.
For those of you who are on the periphery of all this craziness, get out. Go find the sunshine. Remember the reasons you found this papercrafting hobby and go create something beautiful.
Donna, I'm happy to publish your comment. I did not, however, publish the ridiculously rude one left on my blog by "Anonymous" back in March. Again, if you want to insult me, do it properly. By name. Otherwise, I'll think you are a coward.
One word: sanctimonious
ReplyDeletewhat's nutjob talking about:
ReplyDelete"Imagine my horror when Jennifer Ellefson told me about the secret squirrel post on the forum about the frame from Piece of Cake. I had absolutely no idea that it was a calling out of your secret sisterhood."
anyone know?
It makes no sense and neither does "planting bombs" or anonymous poster in March". We are responsible for a post someone put on her blog in March???
ReplyDeleteit's funny - normally I get annoyed when people smack the smackers, (or praise rick lol) but cheryl's posts don't even phase me - that is how little I think of her. She's is so out of touch with reality and really pathetic. i hope no one here is bothered by her comments. while i would love this world to be a happy place full of rainbows and sunshine, it isn't, so I'm going to go ahead and live in the real world where I realize that not all people have good intentions and make sure i have enough self esteem and self confidence to not let some comments on a smack board ruin my life.
ReplyDeletesounds to me like maybe someone decided to make a super seekret post - something like "if you like to smack pti comment on this post about the frame in piece of cake" maybe?
ReplyDeleteOh for the love of Jeebus!
ReplyDeleteCheryl, please be sure to give yourself a big pat on the back. In only two posts you have managed to put yourself right at the top of hypocritical slappy-smacky-smackers.
I, and I'm sure several others, have participated in this board in a nice way. Several of us have discussed other stamp products and companies, shared color comparisons, and other like posts which would be considered rude to include on PTI's boards. Even though I've posted nicely, I choose not to put my name to it to avoid people like you calling me out as a "meanie-pants".
So if you want to call out names and point fingers at people for being hateful, then congratulations----you've joined the club.
sounds to me like maybe someone decided to make a super seekret post - something like "if you like to smack pti comment on this post about the frame in piece of cake" maybe?
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Correct. I think it was a bad idea though because I'm pretty sure there were a few people who posted on that thread who really thought it was about the stamp set.
In one fell swoop CKNutter has managed to turn this post into a free-for-all. And the way she names people as meanie-pants is really childish and bullying.
ReplyDeleteIn the olden days when one could actually post a small criticism on the PTI forum, she would come out swinging, defending PTI to the end, and making the poster look bad.
Then she would come back to apologise and say she did not mean to make their issue seem insignificant.
She really should keep her hands off the keyboard.
Wow. Earlier today I was thinking how boring this blog has been the past few days. LOL
ReplyDeleteit's the Cknutjobwhatever shitstorm that has hit PTI Smack III... oh boy oh boy!
ReplyDeletesorry i've always thought Joan was a sanctimonious bitch too. and don't try to call me out cknutter, you have no idea who i am, bitch.
ReplyDeleteCheryl, do you understand that your posting here just made things do much worse? What were you hoping to get out of it? You certainly haven't done Joan any favors. :-(
ReplyDeleteSo Rick, when are the big changes going to be implemented on the website?
ReplyDeleteWOW - IT guy working 7 days a week to fix that site and it still looks/works like crap? Time to find a new IT guy.
ReplyDelete"Your posts and actions have gone far beyond complaining about a company's customer service. You have intruded on the safety of others' lives. You have damaged family relationships. You have knowingly injured others and rationalized that it's their fault for being hurt."
ReplyDeleteNow we're putting people's lives in danger?!?
COME. ON.
cknutjob indeed.
I was a regular forum poster. Won't claim that I don't know about the blog ( actually funny enough I found out about it at SAF) but I've had no problem being honest and open on the forum with my displeasure so I did not see a reason to post here
ReplyDeleteUntil the POC thread that I posted in ( did not know it was a code!) Got a bunch of you go girl and never thought YOU were a Smacker PM's. I did not get a friendly little pm from Jen E ( whom I have met in person and thOught was lovely btw) telling me it was a Smacker thread. I got immediately unfriended by her nd the DT on Facebook. Soured me completely on PTI ad turned me into a full fledged Smacker
I like Joan's blog and I could care less what other people's opinion is of her work or my own, rather the lack of mine on my blog. I'm sorry to hear that it is bothering Joan, I'm sure she'll get over it quickly. Mean people do not deserve the time or effort on our part to figure them out or deal with them.
ReplyDeleteI'm here to read about PTI's customer service or lack thereof since they no longer allow negative posts on their board and for the suggestions of alternative sources.
I am so sick of this girl fighting stuff both here and on forums and in real life. It makes us look stupid and petty. I am SO sick of people reading motives into things and then slapping people for those things.
ReplyDeleteLove the new intro to this thread that was revised over night.
ReplyDeleteThis Cheryl woman is a real idiot:
ReplyDelete"Is it worth it, what you're doing here? You people are ridiculous. Rationalize all you want, call others insecure if you want. It will all come back to you. Yes, Ami, Michelle, Carmen, Donna, I am especially talking to you.
You are not that anonymous. I don't know how you think that this is all okay, what you talk about here, and who you talk about. I find it extraordinarily cowardly that you can't use your real names. If you are going to insult me or anyone else, do it properly.
Your posts and actions have gone far beyond complaining about a company's customer service. You have intruded on the safety of others' lives. You have damaged family relationships. You have knowingly injured others and rationalized that it's their fault for being hurt."
She has attached her name to a post wherein she mentions names of individuals and then makes these outrageous accusations.
https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation
Someone linked a page of Cheryl's blog from March earlier. I had to laugh - she talks about being happy, blah, blah, blah... and then ends with her "200 pageviews."
ReplyDeleteI have to wonder about someone who posts that.
I remember that Piece of Cake thread. I thought it was totally bizarre at the time. Now I understand.
ReplyDeleteI waver from thinking this is a great place to vent about PTI frustrations to thinking everyone here is just a bunch of bullies. Not sure how I feel about reading/posting anymore.
I still don't understand what the Piece of Cake thread is about. I don't think I read the PTI forum during that time and the comments about it here are a complete mystery to me.
ReplyDelete9:51:
"I waver from thinking this is a great place to vent about PTI frustrations to thinking everyone here is just a bunch of bullies. Not sure how I feel about reading/posting anymore."
I could have written the same thing - I feel exactly the same way.
I don't want to be a part of something that's mean-spirited. I know it's not always like that here, but maybe it's best to step away.
I really don't understand all the handwringing over whether people feel they should be reading & posting here.
ReplyDeleteIt's simple.
If you want to, do. If you don't want to, don't. It's a smack blog. It's not the end of the world whichever option you choose.
7:46- "I was a regular forum poster. Won't claim that I don't know about the blog ( actually funny enough I found out about it at SAF)"
ReplyDeleteYou have to tell us about how that went at SAF!
Smackers,
ReplyDeleteIf you feel this site is beneath you and it is "too mean", then you should leave! Enough already...
For me, THIS site has provided more information and insight than the PTI forum. The tidbits shared here are worthwhile and I appreciate them. I love the information shared here...keep it coming!
Cheryl,
ReplyDeleteHere is my response to you...hahahahaha!
"I waver from thinking this is a great place to vent about PTI frustrations to thinking everyone here is just a bunch of bullies. Not sure how I feel about reading/posting anymore."
ReplyDeleteI have been here since the beginning and I could have written this. I like being here when there is a sharing of information and discussion about Papertrey but I cringe when I read mean spirited things about other people. I can leave and nobody will miss me but this blog can be a very helpful tool and I do feel that it has been instrumental in the changes that have come about.
Telling someone that they have serious mental problems or calling them a drama queen when they are already hurting? Is that necessary?
The internet is changing us all.
ReplyDeleteI have a question for the Smackers. Do you treat your friends IRL like you treat the people on the PTI forum...talking about them behind their back and calling them names when they don't share the same opinion as you do?
ReplyDeletePerhaps you should realize that we aren't all the evil gossipers that you are making us out to be.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, I would bet that there are just 1 or 2 people that are posting the mean stuff and just doing it multiple times to make it look like there are many.
Cknutjob is the biggest bully on the PTI forum!
ReplyDeleteYeah right, you are a regular reader of this blog and you know it.
Hey nutjob...FUCK YOU!
Seriously? Getting that worked up over paper and plastic? Insanity.
ReplyDeleteWhoever up there referred to the piece of cake thread, I am as in the dark about it as you are and no one seems to be willing to explain it. So just nod and smile is all I can tell you.
ReplyDeleteWhat on earth are you talking about 13:42?
ReplyDeleteSmackers don't post on the regular PTI forum and handslap the unicorns - they shouldn't post here.
ReplyDeletesomeone asked if "smackers" treat their friends "IRL" the way they treat people on the forum...
ReplyDelete1. there's a reason you used the term "IRL" because what goes on in blog comments is not the same thing as talking to a person "IRL" - it just isn't.
2. who said those people on the PTI forums are our friends?
I am as offended by people who are blind to PTI's flaws as I am by people telling Cheryl to go fuck herself...
NEITHER SIDE IS MORE RIGHT THAN THE OTHER, but at least the smacker side isn't full of whiney little crybabies.
I thought the reason for creating the smack blog was so people could whine and cry about the injustices of PTI?
ReplyDelete13:51 -I'll explain the Piece of Cake thread as best I can. I don't ever go to the PTI forum, so I only followed peripherally.
ReplyDeleteI think it started on the previous PTI Smack blog. The Smackers were chatting and getting chummy on the smack blog and thought it would be fun to start a thread that would blend in with the rest of the forum threads, but the Smackers who posted there would in essence "out" themselves to the other Smackers.
The only problem was, PTI eventually caught on and (I guess) sent PMs and unfriended anyone who posted on the POC thread. Like I said, I never posted to that thread, so I don't know for sure. I did go to the thread and see who was posting out of curiosity, but honestly, I didn't know any of them as I wasn't a PTI regular.
The problem with the piece of cake thread was that there were people that just posted without having knowledge of the secret smacker outings and they were also unfriended by Jenn E and the dt.
ReplyDeleteWhy the profanity?! You can gett your point across smacking without the vulgar language
ReplyDeleteI agree that the vulgar mouths here are not needed, wanted, or helpful.
ReplyDeleteFor me, THIS site has provided more information and insight than the PTI forum. The tidbits shared here are worthwhile and I appreciate them. I love the information shared here...keep it coming!
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^ DITTO ^ When this blogs turns ugly, it's really ugly. But when it's funny, it's hilarious & when it's informative, it's worthwhile reading. I'm staying & will hope the stench clears soon.
Way to go Cheryl, well said imho.
ReplyDeleteam I REALLY number 97?? no way??
ReplyDeleteam I REALLY number 97?? no way??
ReplyDeleteAnd apparently you were number 98 as well. Yay you!
ReplyDeleteFrom a thread on SCS, this is an answer to someone who has an alphabet set from PTI and lost the "s." Sounds like the OP bought this set some time ago:
ReplyDelete"Also, don't forget that PTI sends replacement stamps. If you bought the set yourself, then you can get a replacement. If you bought it second hand then it won't work but otherwise, you can get it replaced.
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If you lose a stamp from PTI, is it easy to get it replaced?? The person trying to help the OP says it in a way that sounds like it may be a commonplace thing..."PTI sends replacement stamps."
I wouldn't really expect that to be possible from ANY company, let alone CS-challenged PTI. Doesn't every company have the sets manufactured as sets? I can't imagine they'd just go around replacing any individual stamps someone has lost.
Regarding the stamp replacement... I sent an e-mail a while ago - either before Christmas or right after (Jennifer E was still working there - she replied to my email...) asking if a stamp could be replaced and she said it wouldn't be a problem, just to send a SASE to them. So, I sent the SASE with a copy of JE's email to me, and now it's May and I still haven't received the stamp I was missing. So, I don't know if other people have had success with this, but I do think it's awesome that the offer to do it (more awesome if they followed through!)
ReplyDeleteI think it would be a great thing to advertise that they would replace up to one stamp or die (from a set like alphas) to the original buyer. But PTI, following through if they said that? I bet it would happen about 10% of the time.
ReplyDeleteDo other companies do that? I just can't imagine how they could. Sacrifice the sale of an entire set just to replace one stamp? That would be pretty amazing.
ReplyDeleteWell, you wouldn't actually have to sacrifice the entire set to replace one stamp. Just send out the one stamp and put the rest of the set in the replacement bin for the next time someone loses a stamp. As long as everyone doesn't lose the exact same stamp, you wouldn't have to have more than a few of any given set in the replacement bin.
ReplyDeleteRe: replacement stamps
ReplyDeleteI lost one a while back and got a replacement from PTI. I just had to send an email with a picture of the set (from the website) with the stamp missing circled. It came in the mail in a regular envelope. So it is something that PTI does ...
I had a stamp replaced from PTI too!
ReplyDeleteI haven't had any problems getting replacement stamps. I've done it a 2-3 times. Not many companies do this and I am thankful that PTI does.
ReplyDeleteGood Morning. Please take a moment of silence to remember those who have lost their lives so we may have the freedom to express ourselves. Also rember those who have died who have touched your lives.
ReplyDeleteI used to love MIM so much and for the last 10 or 12 weeks it has been so lame!
ReplyDeleteAnyone have any experience with the Artbin Magnetic Die Storage?
ReplyDeleteMy current system is to put the matching dies and stamps in a single case. But I need something to organize all my Nesties and all those other dies that are not set specific.
I craft away from home so they (or at least some of them) need to be able to go with me.
Any thoughts?
Since the faithfull followers are moving on they are probably targeting a new different audience of new less experienced stampers.
ReplyDeleteOMG just saw this from Cknutti:
ReplyDeleteYour posts and actions have gone far beyond complaining about a company's customer service. You have intruded on the safety of others' lives. You have damaged family relationships. You have knowingly injured others and rationalized that it's their fault for being hurt.
Dramatic much? Wow, I'd hate to be married to this drama queen! I hope she doesn't have kids...can you imagine their horror at her being their mom!
Nutjob, if you're reading here...crawl back into your hole! Nobody cares about you!
Cheryl, no need to keep emaling. Just let things be.
ReplyDeleteWho is she emailing?
ReplyDeleteI love the fact that nut job says she doesn't read here but obviously does! What a weak human being! Go away you freak!
ReplyDelete08:06 - ??? I'm wondering what you're referring to. Just don't understand.
ReplyDeleteJeesh, what are the chances... this is the 3rd or 4th time I've referred to a post that had multiple posters at the same time!
ReplyDeleteThe one I'm asking ??? about is:
"Since the faithfull followers are moving on they are probably targeting a new different audience of new less experienced stampers.
28 May 2012 08:06"
As for artbin-magnetic-storage-8:06 - I've yet to see the system in person but I hope to this week and decide if I can use it. I've been using Quickutz magnetic folders for now which are really nice for taking away from home even though I hardly ever do that. The only sets and dies I store together are a few PTI dies that I keep with the stamps in the CD cases. Other than that, I keep dies separate.
I'd love to know who cknutter is emailing and what she is emailing them about.
ReplyDeleteOh, and hi, Cheryl! Remember what I said....Jesus knows what you're up to :)
Think I'm done with the forum.
ReplyDeleteCan we stop with the topic titles that are incomplete sentences like, "Does anyone know..." or "It took a lot of courage, but..." or "Just how many..."
Can you at least title your posts with something relevant so others will actually know if they want to read it, please?
And someone thinks he's a daddy when in fact he's just a pet owner. Daddy...pet owner...Hmmm, not really the same thing.
Done.
Think I'll stick here.
11:03,
ReplyDeletecknutti has children, 6 of them to be exact. Mormon perhaps??
Can we leave children and religion out of the discussion? Come on, folks. Really?
ReplyDeleteI love that Ted got holier than thou regarding 50 shades of grey. I also love that people on the forum put him in his place.
ReplyDeleteFor someone who obviously has sexuality issues, he sure is transparent to everyone but himself!
http://forum.papertreyink.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35927
I soo didn't want to read the daddy post but my curiosity got the better of me. Quite relieved it was about bengal kittens. Question: if the cats are named after bengal tigers (presumably), why do they have spots like cheetahs?
ReplyDeleteI guess I'm not surprised Donna C doesn't "get" porn....I'm sure she is a number one prude. So glad I never had a teacher like her in high school.
ReplyDeletehttp://forum.papertreyink.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35927&start=50
Wow, lots of personal smack these days ... I thought we were here to talk about how PTI can improve???
ReplyDeleteAll your HS teachers liked porn? You know that how?
ReplyDeleteIt has not been proven that Cheryl reads here. She knew to come here and post because she knows Joan. In fact, it is obvious that she does NOT regularly read here, or she would not have initially said to Donna and Carmen, "you're not as anonymous as you think you are." Anyone who reads here knows they post under their own names, so of course they know they're not anonymous.
ReplyDelete13:43, I think the comment you were asking about (targeting a new audience) is in reference to the Make It Mondays.
ReplyDeleteAha. Thank you - it makes sense now!
ReplyDeleteStill think that video with Nichole inking the heck out of her stamp was the funniest one I've ever seen.
Night Owl or Early Bird? Inquiring minds want to know. Seriously?
ReplyDeleteI know this is a smack blog but I have to give kudos to Debbie Gaydos.
ReplyDeleteSaw her card on the blog hop and damn she is good. She makes me want cave and shop at PTI.
http://www.scrappydeb.blogspot.com/
OMG! Ted posted a youtube video of his "babies"! Gross! His avatar skeevs me out so I haven't watched his video. May the force be with anyone who does watch!
ReplyDeleteHere's the video finally up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lXRQzpGfB4
I apologize in advance for the loud volume of me speaking (had no idea how sensitive my microphone was!) and also apologize in advance for sounding like an annoying "cat daddy"...
I don't see anything "skeevy" about Ted. Is it because he is a single male? a male who stamps? a male who likes pets? Is it because some of you homophobes speculate that his singleness means he is gay. He seems very kind and very sincere. I don't see anything wrong with it and in fact I find the guy quite endearing.
ReplyDeleteSorry. Ted grosses me out too.
ReplyDeleteSo you don't like how he looks? How shallow!
ReplyDelete@8:54 - it has nothing to do with his sexuality. His avatar and personality (interpreted via his posts) skeev me out.
ReplyDeleteHave you ever watched a Lifetime movie where the camera pans to the creepy serial killer as he is slowly closing the trunk of a car on his victim then the picture goes dark? Well that creepy guy has Ted's head on his sholders!
Oh, for pete's sake. Some of you give me the willies and it isn't Ted.
ReplyDeleteyeah, i kinda get the creeper vibe from ted's avatar - i think it's just because his eyes are so wide open. he had a different picture a while ago and i didn't get the same vibe from it ... maybe he was trying really hard not to blink! He seems like he would be an ok guy though (outside the PTI forum)
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ReplyDeleteTed is unsavory to me not because of his singleness, his sexual preference (which is none of my business anyway), his style of crafting or his choice of pet.
ReplyDeleteHe is unsavory to me because of his blatant need for attention (I gravitate away from that characteristic in anyone) and his proficiency at stirring up crap in the forums while feigning innocence.
I also hate the "let me clarify"s in his posts. Just be succinct the first time.
I don't see that he needs attention any more than many of the regular posters. Because he is male it is just more noticeable when he posts. IF he was a lonely person, why would it be a problem to have some interaction on a hobby board? It makes him a serial killer??
ReplyDeletei actually found ted's voice in his video kind of relaxing ... but was a little weirded out when he was whispering "get it. get it" hehe.
ReplyDeletelmao at 9:39!!!
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of attention seeking...Lately everytime Leigh makes a card, she has to start a topic discussing it! Today it's "what colour..." then goes on to ask what color everyone uses for their sentiments, because on 'this card' she used Canyon Clay....It's just another way for her to get all the praise for her cards that she is so desperately in need of for some reason. It is her problem, but for some reason it really irks me!
I'm in line with 9:25. I think he's a little creepy looking too but it's mostly his over the topness with the attention-seeking, the fawning all over Nichole, the hypocritical comments (like "speaking with my wallet") and the sanctimonious tone of his posts.
ReplyDeleteI get the impression that he's trying too hard to sound intelligent, to sound like the "voice of reason" and explaining himself to death - like we are all hanging on his every word. I can imagine him at a party and being the one person I keep trying to avoid. Like the person who just likes to hear himself talk.
Leigh is the female attention-getting version. I've learned not to click on her posts unless I feel like taking a glass of Kool-Aid.
Why would stable, happy human beings focus on chatboard personalities and spend their time evaluating their motives?? That is truly icky to me.
ReplyDeleteI've never spent any amount of time 'analyzing' anyone's personalities from any board. Good lord - how many people read posts from someone as predominant on a board as someone like Ted and not have some impression of his personality?? It really isn't rocket science. Maybe you're just dim.
ReplyDeleteI noticed ACN asking people to "be patient" with website problems. Hmm. From February to the end of May. I'd say anyone who is still hoping for changes has been patient long enough.
I hope I am not dim. I have to defend my doctoral dissertation on Thursday.
ReplyDeleteBest wishes!!! (sincerely!!)
ReplyDeleteThanks! I am terrified.
ReplyDeleteThere is a list of people that I find annoying on the forum and it has nothing to do with their gender or sexual preference. Anyone that craves attention to the point where you can't help but notice them, or those that are overtly hypocritical make the list.
ReplyDeleteI think Leigh makes very nice cards and layouts....but I think she's really gunning for a spot on the DT - she comments on every single blog hop posts, and is all over the forum. Like I said, I generally like her stuff but wish she'd stop being such an attention-seeker.
ReplyDeleteLeigh has some very pretty cards. The thing I see missing is the little extras that good dt's have. You know when the post something and you say, "I would have never thought of that".
ReplyDeleteI agree with 11:10.
ReplyDeleteLeigh seems like a very nice person and her cards are very pretty. But no thinking outside the box. And I think it's weird that she CASED a card of Erin's recently (almost exactly) and never mentioned the original. I'm no Erin fan, but I thought that was rude.
Leigh once said something on the forum about how her husband is not very supportive of her cardmaking and ever since then it made me more sympathetic to her needy nature.
We have no idea what people deal with in the lives. If they use stamping and stamping forums to fill a need, then at least they are handling things in a healthy way instead of drinking or playing the lottery or something. I had a chatboard friend for years that people were really mean to. What they did not know is that she had MS and was in a wheelchair and the internet was her world. She had no one. When she disappeared from the forum (she actually died) people rejoiced that she wasn't there to take up so many posts. They had no idea that she had died or had been sick.
ReplyDelete10:27: I guess those of us here are just neither stable nor happy and/or human. HTH!
ReplyDelete10:46, I'll be thinking of you on Thursday! Take a deep breath and think positive :)
ReplyDelete11:36 that is so sad!
ReplyDeleteI remember wondering about hotwheels on SCS until I learned that, if I remember correctly, she has cerebral palsy. Perspective, right?
Maybe we can all be a little more understanding.
11:36, I'm sorry for the loss of your friend and how badly the online world treated her.
ReplyDelete11:36- I am so sorry! That is really sad, but a good example of something we should keep in mind in our on-line interactions. We never know what someone is dealing with.
ReplyDeleteI'm one of those people who looks for a bit of approval from others. I'm getting better about it. Luckily I haven't seen any harsh comments about myself but I could imagine it would hurt. My husband worked nights for years, to the point I hardly saw him because he was gone by the time I got home. I don't really have any family left and got really lonely at night. Instead of filling that hole with going out drinking, or worse, I share my creations and hope for some interaction.
12:27, nothing at all wrong with that. No smack from me. =)
ReplyDeleteI would choose Leigh and Ted over you back stabbing foul mouth haters anytime. Just because he is single doesn't give you a reason to question his sexuality. That's just insane. And to say that Leigh is out for the attention is absurd. She comes across as a kind and caring person who takes the time to comment and lend encouragement. How can that be bad?
ReplyDeleteI agree with 14:49. Neither of them seem like anything but decent human beings and both make great artwork.
ReplyDeletei don't think anyone ever said they weren't decent human beings. at least not in recent posts - they said ted LOOKED creepy because of his "stare you down" picture and leigh is a forum hog...also, i personally don't give a patoot about ted's sexuality, but I will say that I wonder about people who have not married/do not have a partner later in life - i'm not homophobic or anything, so please don't accuse me, but i admit i sometimes wonder, just because it's not conventional.
ReplyDeleteim 15:18 - i should clarify that i tend to wonder about the sexuality of appealing people (appealing in my opinion anyway - as in, nice, smart, sweet, attractive etc.) if someone is a total jerk, then i'd be like "oh thats why they're alone" i totally get that some people choose to be alone, that's just how i think initially
ReplyDeleteI think for some people their reaction to Ted has nothing to do with his marital status or sexual preferences.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who puts themselves front and center as often as he does and says SO much, it'd be weird if people didn't have impressions about him. He has an opinion about everything and rattles on and on -- apparently caring a great deal what people on the forum think about him. Frankly it's a little cloying and insecure to me.
So, yeah, he may have his issues - there may be endearing reasons somewhere in his situation or psyche that make his behavior understandable and there could be reasons for him to be seen as a sympathetic figure.
But we don't really KNOW him - I'm not going to try to psychoanalyze the man. I may comment on what I see of him there. That's it. That's all anyone knows of people there if they don't have contact with them in real life. And I don't see what's wrong with people commenting on their impression or opinion of him based on what they see there. That's all it is.
I think the handslappers read a lot more into it than those who are honest enough to say that someone creeps them out. And even if he didn't always make me shudder a little bit, his inappropriate comment to ACN awhile back sealed the deal. Maybe he just doesn't have very good social graces, but he's an adult, and a teacher for crying out loud -- I think it's fair to assume he would know better and he said it anyway.
Oh, great! Since Cheryl accused me of being one of the ones being mean to Joan, she has unfriended me from FB. We have been "friends" for years.
ReplyDeleteSeems like Cheryl is the one using the internet to "damage relationships".
ReplyDeleteOh well, apparently she wasn't really your friend in the first place then.
ReplyDeleteuNfriended by Joan or by Cheryl?
ReplyDeletegood for cheryl!!!!! Just because you are "friends" on facebook doesn't mean she thought of you as a true friend. After reading stuff here I did some "weeding of the deadheads" myself.
ReplyDeleteI find the friends list and these whole lists and things on fb to be so incredibly cumbersome to alter in any way - I can't stand the changes there. I think I should just unfriend everyone and start fresh!
ReplyDeleteBy Joan---Cheryl is the "go-between" it seems as she has been the one reporting on Joan. I have never in my life said anything but positive about Joan. I am so sick of people being busybodies, starting rumors, and stirring things up.
ReplyDeleteInstead of blaming others maybe Joan came to her own conclusions after reading all your nit picky posts.
ReplyDeleteI would not be surprised if Joan unfriended anyone she knew was posting here.
ReplyDeleteNutjob is the equivelant to a turd in the punch bowl. She obviously has mental issues so who the hell would want to be "friends" with her anyway?
ReplyDeleteI was never friends with Cheryl. I have also never said a mean word about or to Cheryl or Joan. Cheryl simply set this up because she is miffed that this blog exists. She cannot quote a single hurtful thing that I have said about anyone here. The only things I have said here are in reference to PTI company policies and disappointments with customer service. Cheryl obviously has to meddle everywhere, make up rumors, and try to destroy things.
ReplyDeleteSo sorry to hear that Donna! I personally really like Joan B and enjoy her blog. I was never friends with her on FB, but I had another very well known stamper unfriend me a while ago (nothing related to this, I think she was getting rid of people that she didn't know), and I was bummed when I realized that she had done it. I wish that Joan wouldn't let herself be influenced by other people's comments.
ReplyDelete@17:01 - Hi Cheryl, did I strike a nerve!
ReplyDeleteI really like her too, Carmen. And I loved reading her little stories about her mom on facebook.
ReplyDeleteDonna quit talking about Cheryl, you really have no right and don't know anything of which you speak.
ReplyDelete16:52.I'm surprised you're able to be on the computer from the lockdown unit.
ReplyDeleteI really don't like the personal attacks 16:52.
ReplyDeleteYou can dislike someone's actions but you don't have to attack the person.
Posting things like that gives all smackers a bad name.
I am honestly a bit surprised that Joan cannot see who the problem is here. But, oh well. Nothing I can do about any of it. Score one for Cheryl!
ReplyDeleteI am sorry that you got caught in the crossfire Donna. It seems that you are guilty by association.
ReplyDeletethis is why it's pointless to "out" yourself on your blog. even if you avoid the personal attacks it always manages to get twisted around. better to keep your name away from anything have to do with it.
ReplyDelete"katie said...
ReplyDeleteDonna quit talking about Cheryl, you really have no right and don't know anything of which you speak.
29 May 2012 17:03"
That's not really appropriate given the context of the conversation. Cheryl actually called out Donna as having said things here that she hadn't, and Donna is just standing up for herself.
Wouldn't you be upset with someone if they falsely accused you in public? I think Donna was totally shocked and blindsided by that and I can't imagine why anyone would expect her to just sit back and see her name dragged through the mud.
i meant to say it's pointless to out yourself on this blog
ReplyDeleteOK, leaving this whole thing behind. Cheryl has apologized and Joan has refriended and I am going to be WAY more careful about using my name anywhere in the future on the internet.
ReplyDeleteI am done discussing it and am going to spend my evening taking my dog for a walk and getting my blood pressure back to normal.
oh donna boo hoo hoo hoo
ReplyDelete:) Happy to hear all of the above, Donna.
ReplyDeleteJoan has just now unfriended all the ones Cheryl named. I am sure Cheryl just could not rest until she made sure Joan and the rest were quite hurt and would not speak to one another so Cheryl would never be found out as to what she has done. So what appeared to have been resolved has now been started all over again. Way to go, Cheryl!!
ReplyDeletejust got a Facebook message from her saying that she was deleting all non family friends and that it was nothing personal.
ReplyDeleteOh the drama.
ReplyDeleteHave you seen the movie Death Becomes Her, starring Goldie Hawn and Meryl Streep? My favorite line from the whole movie is this:
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
That's how I'm starting to feel about this whole Joan thing.
Oh for petes sake stop and lets talk about shitty customer service or products
ReplyDeleteGinaK has gone clear! Cut files for the Silhouette should be coming soon!
ReplyDeleteomg this is so lame -- sounds like middle school. Joan unfriended me, wah wah! etc
ReplyDeleteI agree with 05:02
ReplyDeleteI've tried but I can't make myself like GinaK's stamps.
ReplyDeleteI'm thrilled to hear that Gina K has gone clear! There are a lot of designs there that I'm not crazy about, but there are a few that I love and I've hesitated to buy cling rubber without the image on the back - other companies have spoiled me. So now that they're clear, I may just get some. Thx for the info
ReplyDeleteThere are several GinaK sets I'd buy if they were clear so I'm glad to hear she's made this move.
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